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Oddities Regarding Najasah (Revisited)

Q
I don't clearly understand the position because it seems like you are saying two seemingly contradictory things.

1] If you urinate in a body of water greater than 212 liters (qullatain?), then according to the hanbali madhab is that water considered tahir (and not tahoor), even if it was the ocean or a lake? Please use the fiqi arabic terms as it gets blurry with english translated words..thank you.


p.s. please provide the sources of hadeeth for the opinion..

A
This group is for Hanbali fiqh, not hadith and takhrij. Besides, this is not really a problem of authenticity but one of istidlal and istinbat.

As for the hadith, one single mutaffaq `alayhi: hadith will do The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: "You should not urinate in stagnate water and then wash from it", and another phrasing found in Bukhari but not Muslim: "...and then wash in it". This hadith includes small amounts and great amounts of water and it is specific to urine, and it has a higher degree of authenticity than hadith al-qullatayn. so it is given precedence.  This comes straight out of Ibn Qudamah's Al-Mughi.

As for specific large bodies of water, I wrote: "unless it is very difficult to protect the water from such an event". Here is a case of istithna based on an `illah: so when the `illah exists then this istithna will occur. Or plainer in English: here is a case where there is an exception triggered by a specific cause: so when the cause exists then the exception is triggered.

Where's the contradiction? Anyone else see what just "seems" to be a contradiction?


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--musa