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What happened on Oct 7, 2023 (B)

2023-11-18 -- 2023-12-16

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Part A is the first page in this series.
Part B this page here.
Part C has more info, and is continuously updated, inshaAllah.

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2023-11-18 -- 2023-12-16

NB: This is only a part of what has emerged so far.

Unknown to most western audiences, there has been a steady trickle of evidence from Israeli sources over the past two months implicating Israel’s own military in at least some of the killings attributed to Hamas.[2] See also part A.[1]

NB Atrocities were committed against Isra-l civilians on October 7.
However, it has been proven that 98% of Isra-l propaganda is a heap of disgraceful lies - serving their genocidal project. If you still believe their words, you should check out other descriptions and do your research.


B0 The Isra-l army (IOF) is responsible for most of the killed
B13 Isra-l media was forced to remove an interview…
B12 Dozens of fraudulent testimonies
B11 "IDF" finally admitted that it killed its own people Oct 7
B10 “Israel” says it killed 20% of its own troops in Gaza
B9 They lied to get their license to kill en mass.
B8 Some alleged “atrocities” never actually happened
B7 Demand the immediate formation of an official investigation!
B6 On The Official Story Of October Seventh
B5 “Israel” shot many if not most of its own people
B4b Let’s talk about what DID happen on Oct 7
B4a "We have been lied to"
B3 Invited by “Israel” to watch October 7 propaganda film
B2b Warnings about an impending terrorist attack were ignored
B2a Dozens of fraudulent testimonies
B1 The "IDF", not Hamas, burned people alive


itemB0 ==

The Isra-l army is responsible for most of the killed

The Isra-l army is (probably)[3] responsible for the largest number of dead on October 7th,
Here is why.

Members of the Israeli military regarding October 7th:

"An Israeli Apache helicopter fired on Kibbutz Be'eri"

The testimony states that an Israeli Apache helicopter fired on Kibbutz Be'eri, shocking witnesses.

"And suddenly you see a helicopter that fires into the kibbutz...I don't get it" - -
"An IDF helicopter firing into an Israeli kibbutz."

"A tank fires a shell into a house"… -
"These are things that you cannot comprehend."
"It didn't make sense to us…"




itemB13 ==

Isra-l media was forced to remove an interview…


Max Blumenthal:
Israeli media was forced to remove an interview with Niko Ostroga, a man who claimed he saw 29 of his friends massacred by Hamas on 10/7 at the Nova Electronic Music Fest after he was exposed as a con artist who never attended the event.

His lie was exposed only because he concocted it to extract financial compensation from the Israeli state.

In other cases, Israel has an interest in promoting dubious testimonies, like that of the mysterious Yoni Saadon, who said he witnessed 10 Hamas fighters simultaneously raping a woman with an “angel face” on a field at the same rave Ostroga falsely claimed to have attended. (b.walla.co.il/item/3623478)
@MaxBlumenthal Dec 13, 2023



itemB12 ==

Dozens of fraudulent testimonies

I did a deep dive on the Nova Music Fest survivors.
Ostroga is but one of dozens of these fraudulent testimonies.
The deception surrounding October 7 is so massive. @FearlessFriends

They just make everything up and even when it’s debunked they don’t stop repeating the lie. Then they say you hate them because you didn’t believe their lie. @dizalifornia

There are more. They had scripts. @jimmylives306

from the video 4min


itemB11 ==

"IDF" finally admitted that it killed its own people Oct 7


This is big: “@IDF” finally just admitted that it killed its own people on October 7, but claims it would not be “morally sound” to investigate. Sounds like a cover up to me. @AliAbunimah, https://ynetnews.com/article/rkjqoobip


“The IDF believes that beyond the operational investigations of the events, it would not be morally sound to investigate these incidents due to the immense and complex quantity of them that took place in the kibbutzim and southern Israeli communities due to the challenging situations the soldiers were in at the time.”

[ □ comment: Yeah, it would be very challenging for the occupier army to reveal how they simply killed a lot of people on that day.]

This feels so wrong. Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronot quotes the IDF admitting “casualties fell as a result of friendly fire on October 7” but refusing to investigate because “it would not be morally sound […] due to the immense and complex quantity of them that took place in the kibbutzim and southern Israeli communities” @RnaudBertrand

I think them stating they are going to bury all the burned vehicles to “respect the deceased” should be telling enough. Dec 12 @lazychann


itemB10 ==

“Israel” says it killed 20% of its own troops in Gaza



Answer me this: If “Israel” says it killed 20% of its own troops who have died in Gaza in the context of a commanded, planned offensive, then how many of its own people do you think it killed in the chaos of Oct 7 when all command and control collapsed? Dec 12, @AliAbunimah

Source: One-fifth of troop fatalities in Gaza due to friendly fire or accidents, IDF reports


itemB9 ==

They lied to get their license to kill en mass.


Patrick Henningsen (@21WIRE) posted at 4:30 am on Tue, Dec 12, 2023:
Understand the basic reality: #Israel (and its backers in US, UK and EU) has justified its collective “revenge” massacre on Palestinians based on a fabricated/exaggerated story about what actually happened on Oct 7th. They lied to get their license to kill en mass. Here’s what actually happened… (video)

“I am angry…for us being abandoned”

Responding to this post by Uncaptured News
Fresh testimony reveals how Israel killed captives in Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7

Hadas Dagan was the sole survivor from a house where 14 hostages were killed. She has withheld her testimony, until now. @UncapturedNews

video [link]
or here
Fresh testimony reveals how Israel killed captives in Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7


itemB8 ==

FACT CHECKED - Some alleged “atrocities” never actually happened


FACT CHECKED — Al Jazeera reports an investigation by the French newspaper Libération:
Some alleged “atrocities” that became viral to obtain international support for Tel Aviv, never actually happened.

• Allegation about 40 beheaded children was a lie.

• There were no decapitations, no children placed in ovens, no ripping open pregnant bellies, and no tying of children’s hands behind their backs.

• There was no pregnant woman among the detainees on October 7th.

• Israel’s allegations of atrocities aimed to rally Israeli and international public opinion for a violent retaliation in Gaza. @AryJeay, Dec 12

Resistance paraglider towards Al-Quds (Jerusalem)


itemB7 ==

Demand the immediate formation of an official investigation!


“Families of the ISRAELI victims at the Nova Music Festival on October 7 demand the immediate formation of an official INVESTIGATION committee.

Stop whitewashing the omissions

Several reports have confirmed that the Israeli army was the one that shelled the celebrants at the festival, leading to casualties.” - ISRAELI MEDIA, @jacksonhinklle, Dec 12


itemB6 ==

On The Official Story Of October Seventh

The Official Story Of October Seventh, Article with supporting links

See Caitlin Johnstone
“The attack was as undefended as could possibly be; Israeli defense forces did not respond for nine hours [ □ comment: some came earlier than that.] despite having received ample warning that an attack was coming for months, from both their own intelligence services and from Egyptian intelligence. No attempt was made to warn the Nova music…” @caitoz

The Official Story Of October Seventh - quoted at Living Islam - Islamic Tradition > Ch.1


itemB5 ==

“Israel” shot many if not most of its own people


It’s all coming out now – and it’s as we told you: “Israel” shot/shelled/incinerated many if not most of its own people on October 7. How long will government-aligned Western media continue to loyally parrot the official line? @AliAbunimah, Dec 6
ei: yasmin-porat

Responding to
Muhammad Shehada

1\ Released Israeli hostages explode at Netanyahu:
“We were terribly afraid that not Hamas but Israel would kill us & then say: Hamas killed you”

“[Hostages] were under constant threat from the IDF shelling”

“[IDF] helicopter shot at us”

Several shouted at Netanyahu “Shame”


2\ One released abductee told Netanyahu an IDF “helicopter shot at us on the way to Gaza. You claim that there is intelligence, But the fact is that we are being shelled.”

She said her husband is still in Gaza & she fears for his life (I hope a deal for his release is made soon) @muhammadshehad2, Dec 6, muhammadshehad2

we-are-being-shelledWe are being shelled

This is a response to @AliAbunimah
I noticed three instances on Haaretz’s death list where on the Hebrew version they note the person was accidentally killed by the IOF, but they omit this on the English version.
Also I counted around 40 members of kibbutz emergency/standby squads simply categorized as civilians. @oilgulp, Dec 06


itemB4b ==

Let’s talk about what DID happen on Oct 7

URL CNN report claiming sexual violence on October 7 relied on non-credible witnesses

On November 18, 2023, CNN aired a report by journalist Jake Tapper. The report claims to provide testimonies on “rape crimes” against Israeli women that allegedly took place on October 7, 2023.

Within a few hours of the publication of the CNN report, an international media campaign by Israel and pro-Israeli groups was launched. Other media outlets, including The Washington Post, based their reporting on CNN’s report.

Feminist activists and groups who have been calling for a ceasefire in Gaza were also targeted as part of this campaign. Samantha Pearson, the director of the Sexual Assault Centre at the University of Alberta in Canada, was fired from her job a few hours after the airing of the report.

She had signed a letter on October 25 that stated that the accusation that Palestinians were guilty of sexual violence remains “unverified.” The letter did not say that sexual violence did not occur but that there was no sufficient evidence yet to support these accusations.

Source: CNN report claiming sexual violence on October 7 relied on non-credible witnesses


itemB4a ==

URL We have been lied to

Eishal Ahmed:
Lots of talk about what didn’t happen on October 7th. @DrEishalAhmed, Nov 29, 2023:

Let’s talk about what DID happen


video 15min We have been lied to


itemB3 ==

Invited by “Israel” to watch October 7 propaganda film

URL I Watched The Hamas Massacre Film. Here Are My Thoughts.

Ali Abunimah
Pro-Israel journalist @OwenJones84 was invited by “Israel” to watch its October 7 propaganda film of “Hamas atrocities”: he says it shows no rape, no torture, no beheadings, no killing of children. How many lies has Israel told? @AliAbunimah, Nov 27


itemB2b ==

Warnings about an impending terrorist attack were ignored


Gareth Icke (@garethicke) posted at 8:58 pm on Thu, Nov 23, 2023:
Haaretz is a newspaper in Israel. It was founded in 1918, making it the longest running newspaper in the country.

Haaretz ran the story that Israeli forces themselves killed many Israelis on October 7th during battles with Hamas, including the use of an apache helicopter at the site of the Nova music festival.

There have been many testimonies to back this up.

The Israeli communications minister is now seeking to place sanctions upon Haaretz.

Without a free press, there is no democracy.

There is no democracy


They also have articles talking about how warnings about an impending terrorist attack were ignored. This smells very very bad. @JemmingKristin

They didn’t kill their own.
What they did was worse. They killed foreign workers and Palestinians and then lied about their losses claiming they were Israelis. @jimmylives306 Nov 24

The Israeli communications minister is now seeking to place sanctions upon Haaretz. @Abba_fabric, Nov 23


itemB2a ==

Dozens of fraudulent testimonies


José Alvarez (@IngJoseAlvarez) posted at 11:11 pm on Sat, Nov 18, 2023:
The evidence is also here: what could Hamas possibly have used to leave the cars of the attendees to the rave in such conditions of destruction ?

destroyed-Nova-festival-carsdestroyed Nova festival cars

How heavily armed would a Palestinian paratrooper have to be to inflict that kind of damage? I can’t imagine being able to carry such weaponry while hanging from a parachute.

Definitely, now we know that Israel let it happen, let it extend and contributed to increase the number of casualties of israeli people. Israel is already destroying the remains of the vehicles of the victims of the music festival to prevent further investigation. @nc_boomer

Hundreds of Abandoned Cars From Nova Festival Attack | Israel-Gaza Conflict - YouTube
Another view at the Nova cars in this 2min video.
No info about the victims' identity and how were they killed.


itemB1 ==

The "IDF", not Hamas, burned people alive


Last month I said there’s evidence that many of the atrocities Hamas is accused of committing on October 7 like burning people alive were actually instances of indiscriminate Israeli fire, and people called me an antisemitic Holocaust denier.

Yesterday an Israeli official (Regev) admitted on TV that Israel had misidentified HUNDREDS of dead Hamas fighters as Israeli because there were so many corpses that were too badly burned to identify. Unless you believe Hamas was also burning hundreds of its own fighters alive, it’s safe to assume that the burned corpses seen in all the images Israel has been bandying about since October 7 were in fact victims of Hellfire missiles fired by IDF forces. The IDF, not Hamas, burned people alive — both Israeli and Palestinian. @caitoz, Nov 17

This 19sec video

Interesting! Israel now admits some 200 of the bodies they said were Israelis turned out to be “so badly burned” bodies of “Hamas terrorists”!

The question then is: who burned them?!? @muhammadshehad2


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  1. Part A: What really happened on Oct 7, 2023

  2. "This week the Israeli military finally conceded that it had killed its own civilians on October 7 "in immense and complex quantity”. Given the large numbers, it added with transparent non-logic: “It would not be morally sound to investigate these incidents.”"

    "How is it possible, given their continuing interest in scrutinising the events of 7 October, that none of the western media has picked up on any of this distressing evidence, let alone investigated it?"
    Source: Israel-Palestine war: Why is the media ignoring evidence of Israel’s own actions on 7 October? | Middle East Eye

  3. Israel has - as usual - not allowed an independant party to come in and research as stringily as possible, what exactly happened on Oct 7.

    Their army has also declared, it would not bother to investigate further, as they say: "it would not be morally sound to investigate." See item11

    The damaged, shot up cars from the Nova festival are to be buried!
    See item2


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