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This is Part C


C0 Isra-l had detailed knowledge of 7 Oct attacks.
C5 Shin Bet (Isra-l) had foreknowledge of the Al Aqsa Flood Operation
C4 What happened on October 7? 2 video presentations
C3 Isra-l HQ ordered troops to shoot Israeli captives on 7 October
C2 Nova Concert victims sue Israel
C1 What kind of weapons would bring about this kind of destruction?

Earlier Parts Re: Oct 7

Part A Part A was the first page in this series.
Part B Part B & C have more info, with
Part C - this page, and it is continuously updated, inshaAllah.

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What has emerged so far.

Unknown to most western audiences, there has been a steady trickle of emerging evidence from Israeli sources over the past two months implicating Israel’s own military in at least some of the killings originally attributed to Hamas, probably the majority of those killed.[n1]


NB Atrocities were committed against Isra-l civilians on October 7.
However, it has been proven that 98% of Isra-l propaganda is a heap of disgraceful lies - serving their genocidal project. If you still believe their words, you should check out other descriptions and do your research.

itemC0 == 4 parts: C0-1, C0-2, C0-3, C0-4


Israel had detailed knowledge of 7 Oct attacks.

Sharmine Narwani
THE BIG LIE: Nova rave security chief confirms Israel had detailed knowledge of 7 Oct attacks.

"They told me there was going to be an invasion, and that they were planning to take over towns. I just wasn't allowed to tell you that."
2024-02-07 @snarwani



From theCradle.co article:

Nova rave security chief confirms Israel neglected alerts of 7 Oct attacks

Reports in recent months show how warnings of the Hamas operation were ignored by Israeli authorities FEB 7, 2024

Chief of security at the Nova music festival, which was taking place near the Gaza-Israel border on 7 October, told Hebrew outlet Channel 14 that he received a warning about the Hamas operation a week ahead of the attacks.

Elkana Federman told Channel 14 that authorities ignored him when he relayed the warning. “I had a guard at the festival who had served in the Re’im Division [near Gaza border], and a week before the festival he sent me a voice message … basically warning me, saying, ‘Elkana, something is going to happen over Sukkot (Jewish holiday). I just wanted to let you know, there are a lot of warnings,’” Federman said.

“I passed the voice message on, and they told me everything was all right, that the army would be able to handle whatever needed to be handled and that there were always alerts and that everything was fine. I did my part, I’m just a security officer, not a high army guy who can change something in my purview,” he added.

After 7 October, Federman was in the hospital and called the man who…[3]

(Photo credit: AFP)


Much evidence recently surfaced relating to the Israeli army’s role in the death of its citizens on 7 October, including at the Nova festival.

An investigation by The Cradle's William Van Wagenen, released last month, reveals the majority of those killed at the Nova festival were killed by Israeli forces – particularly the Yamam border police unit and Apache attack helicopters – who encircled the partygoers and opened fire at them from all directions.


The video October 7 was an Inside Job - documentary (2024) - John Hankey

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youtube.com: October 7 was an Inside Job

#RealHistoryChannel March 2024 - Israel was behind the attacks of October 7.
Hamas is run by Israeli Secret Intelligence, the Mossad.[4] The fact that the Mossad supplied Hamas with billions of dollars in cash is NOT in dispute. ALL sources say that the Israeli military stood down (was completely absent) for 6 hours.

The best evidence indicates that 94% of the civilians were killed by the military, to justify the genocide in Gaza. Israeli veterans say so.


itemC5 ==

Shin Bet (Isra-l) had foreknowledge of the Al Aqsa Flood Operation

TheCradle.co Title

Israel’s Shin Bet ignored crucial intel before 7 October

The security agency chief rushed to Shin Bet headquarters the night before the attack following ‘signs’ that something was happening. DEC 28, 2023

Hebrew newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth [ המחדל בשב"כ: מה ידע רונן בר לפני 7 באוקטובר?] reported on 28 December that Israel’s Shin Bet security service received crucial intelligence which could have prevented Hamas’ attack on 7 October…

According to the report, Shin Bet head Ronen Bar was present at the agency headquarters in Tel Aviv the night before Operation Al-Aqsa Flood…

they-ignored-crucial-intel720(Photo credit: Abed Rahim Khatib/Flash90)

According to another Israeli media report cited by Yedioth Ahronoth, the Shin Bet had received information from one of its undercover agents inside the Gaza Strip months before the attack saying that Hamas was planning something “major the week after Yom Kippur."
[thecradle.co: Israel’s Shin Bet ignored crucial intel before 7 October]

□ comment: They ignored it willingly.
As we have seen many times in the past, human lives don't matter to them, they may be British lives [1946], or American [1967], or [Palestinian lives], and not even their own Isra-l people matter to them.
Together with United States Empire, anything will be sacrificed for the delusional dream of a greater Israel in the Middle East.[4]

itemC4 ==

What happened on October 7?

Max Blumenthal
”And we saw the same thing take place after October 7th with the White House. Green lighting [i.e. promoting] Israel's genocidal military operation in the Gaza Strip on the basis of lies, deceptions and distortions of half-truths spun straight out of Netanyahu's office and into the mouth of Biden, starting with the 40 beheaded babies lie…”

Nabeel Rajab @NABEELRAJAB Jan 1, 2024 m2

Norman Finkelstein, 2024-03-29


itemC3 ==

Isra-l HQ ordered troops to shoot Israeli captives on 7 October

By Asa Winstanley Rights and Accountability 20 January 2024 [link]

More on the Hannibal directive in this article. Video link below

At midday on 7 October Israel’s supreme military command ordered all units to prevent the capture of Israeli citizens “at any cost” – even by firing on them.

The military “instructed all its fighting units to perform the Hannibal Directive in practice, although it did so without stating that name explicitly,” Israeli journalists revealed last weekend.

The revelations came in a new investigative article by Ronen Bergman and Yoav Zitun, two journalists with extensive sources inside Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.

A new investigation by Israeli journalists has concluded that 70 such vehicles were blown up by Israeli fire. (Photo credit: Jim HollanderUPI)

They also revealed that “some 70 vehicles” driven by Palestinian fighters returning to Gaza were blown up by Israeli helicopter gunships, drones or tanks.

Many of these vehicles contained Israeli captives…


itemC2 ==

Nova Concert victims sue Israel

Israeli victims of 7 October file lawsuits against Israel. The false narrative of a 'Hamas atrocity' being committed that day is falling apart. Hundreds of Israeli civilians were massacred by Israel, not by the Palestinian resistance.
Sharmine Narwani @snarwani 20240101

"Nova Concert victims sue Israel" (Isr. paper Yedioth Ahronoth)

42 victims of the Oct. 7 Nova concert have filed a civil lawsuit against the IDF, police, and Israel's internal security service.

Lawsuit alleges negligence and a failure to act on warnings of a potential security threat.

Several victims have already decided to publicly comment that the Israeli army fired at them out of control. A police investigation also confirmed that many of the October 7 victims were killed by the IDF.[2]
Megatron @Megatron_ron 20240101



itemC1 ==

What kind of weapons would bring about this kind of destruction?

The Palestinian resistance were carrying basic RPGs and other weaponry.[1]
Jonathan Cook asks: "How is it possible, given their continuing interest in scrutinising the events of 7 October, that none of the western media has picked up on any of this distressing evidence, let alone investigated it?"
Dec 15, 2023
More: Media ignores evidence of Israel’s actions Oct 7

"This deeply dishonest approach from the western media indicates … that they are regurgitating talking points being fed to them by Israel."


"In any case, what Westerners call civilization, the others would call barbarity, because it is precisely lacking in the essential, that is to say, a principle of a higher order."
René Guénon, East And West, 1924

صلّى الله على سيّدنا محمّد و على آله و صحبه و سلّم

The blessings and peace of Allah on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions, ( sallAllahu `aleihi wa sallam ) .



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  1. According to the isra-l army (which we should not trust on a sunny day): Their weapons included "AK-47s, thermobaric grenades, and Shawaz anti-tank explosives."
    Source: Sample of Hamas’ Tools of Terror Put on Display for International Press - The Media Line https://themedialine.org/top-stories/sample-of-hamas-tools-of-terror-put-on-display-for-international-press/

    However those weapons cannot explain the serious devastation as seen in the kibbutz or with the Nova festival cars (and which reminds us of Gaza after Oct 8).
    In any case an independant international group of experts (for example from the UN) should have already started an investigation, but the Isra-l government wouldn't allow it. They have a lot to hide.

    Also: The Palestinian fighters went for the military bases, after having finished of the Isra-l military there, they would not need to carry heavy anti-tank explosives to the kibbuz and the Nova festival, they would have used up their material at the first objects, not to explode houses and cars.
    Allah knows best.

  2. Published on January 2, 2024 eHalal Group:

    In a significant development following the tragic events of the Nova concert on October 7, 42 victims have initiated legal action against the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), the Israeli police, and the country’s internal security service. The civil lawsuit, filed on behalf of the victims, alleges negligence and a failure to act on credible warnings of a potential security threat, leading to the unfortunate loss of lives during the event.

    The plaintiffs argue that the authorities had advance knowledge of the potential risks associated with the Nova concert but failed to take adequate measures to ensure the safety of attendees. The lawsuit asserts that the lack of a proper response to the warnings contributed to the devastating outcome, leaving dozens injured and some fatally harmed.

    Among the striking claims made by several victims is the assertion that the Israeli army fired at them uncontrollably during the incident. This allegation has raised concerns about the response tactics employed by the IDF and has prompted a closer examination of the military’s role in the Nova concert tragedy.

    In a parallel development, a police investigation has confirmed that a substantial number of victims on October 7 were indeed killed by the IDF. This revelation adds weight to the victims’ claims and has intensified public scrutiny on the conduct of the Israeli security forces during the event.
    January 2, 2024
    Yedioth Ahronoth - Nova Concert Victims Sue Israel Over Alleged Negligence and Military Actions

  3. After 7 October, Federman was in the hospital and called the man who had given him the warning.

    “I told him 'I wanted to talk to you about that recording you sent me a week before the festival; you were speaking in codes. Tell me exactly what they said to you. He told me, 'Elkana, they told me there was going to be an invasion, and that they were planning to take over towns. I just wasn't allowed to tell you that,'” Federman told the Hebrew outlet.

    This is the latest of a growing number of reports that Israeli authorities ignored multiple warnings about Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.

    Hebrew newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth [ המחדל בשב"כ: מה ידע רונן בר לפני 7 באוקטובר?] reported in late December [thecradle.co: How Israeli forces trapped and killed ravers at the Nova Festival] that Israel’s Shin Bet security service received crucial intelligence that could have prevented Hamas’ attack on 7 October.

    According to the report, Shin Bet Director Ronen Bar was present at the agency headquarters in Tel Aviv the night before the attacks.

    In late November, Financial Times (FT) said that a detailed report by low-ranking officers was sent to senior officials in the army weeks before the attack. The army report warned Hamas was training to “blow up border posts at several locations, enter Israeli territory, and take over kibbutzim.”

    The officers also provided video footage of Hamas practicing taking prisoners.

    The Times of Israel reported in October 2023 that warnings provided by low-level surveillance soldiers were ignored by their superiors for months.

  4. Nety-Shows-Map-of-New-Middle-East
    (Photo credit: Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

  5. □ comment: regarding if Hamas "is run by Israeli Secret Intelligence, the Mossad"

    A colonial oppressor of a subjugated and colonised people will always try to manipulate some groups among them in any way possible. In the case of Palestine, Zionists helped building up the Hamas group in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority under Yasir Arafat. These two groups have even had infighting some two decades ago.

    But this is not something which is called "to run" a group, which would imply that the leaders of Hamas follow the commands of the occupier, which is absurd.


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